AR Rescuer Nearly Killed by “Rescued” Dog

We believe that whatever testing methods are used in shelters, there should be a requirement that testing is done only by certified professionals who have no vested interest in the shelter itself. That would mean the tester would not be a shelter employee. The link below is just one example of certain dogs where follow ups were done subsequent to adoption. As expected, a high percentage still displayed behavior that was considered either aggressive, or a safety risk. 

When we say “as expected”,  we previously have stated that testing in shelters needs to be changed and that when we consider the high rate of rehomed, rescued and shelter dogs involved in canine-human fatalities, this study finding would not be surprising. http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6T48-4KRY8JC-2&_user=10&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&view=c&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=e764f358b9d8d7d1f0574965aa11fee1

It is also Nathan Winograd’s opinion  that temperament testing does not necessarily reveal the actual behavior problems (if any) which might create problems/or harm.  Those involved with rescued animals have known that for ages—–but shelters are “limited” in their time for testing.

OK–let’s say one is a rescuer of dogs, and is not limited like the shelter, but can pick and choose any dog he/she would like, and can perform any number of tests on such dog.

the AR Rescuer Story originally posted 2008:

Let’s assume rescuer works with dogs and has rescued for years.  Well, an actual AR female rescuer (known personally) has a habit of selecting  dogs which are basically dogs that should NOT be rescued.  While we understand many AR rescuers LOVE to take ‘worst case’ dogs, the job of a rescuer is really not to spend inordinate time/expense with the most pathetic dogs, those with the most medical expenses, or those likely to never be sold.. but to get homes for as many dogs as possible,  rather than sitting on only a few which will likely not find homes, or those who too many medical conditions which cost a fortune to fix. Of course, we are sure many rescue people will disagree.

In any event, rescuer puts up a rescue page which indicates the rescued dog was purposely chosen, despite large bumps (usually indicative of cancer),  dog is heartworm positive, dog has been allegedly picked on by other dogs she “lived with” with battle scars showing on dog, dog is tremendously afraid, with tail tucked all the time, dog is extremely vocal [and later has to wear a bark collar], dog is emaciated, “unknown” whether she “likes” other dogs. It was in fact found that dog had cancer.

Now anyone who does dog rescue will quickly realize, this dog is NOT a dog that should be chosen for rescue due to the obvious health and temperament issues, even eithout testing. And we haven’t mentioned liability.  Notice I have not mentioned breed of dog because to me, the dog’s breed is not really relevant.  Rescuer stated the dog was showering HER with kisses. However, this dog was described as later having “succeeded” in overcoming having to “defend” herself against other dogs BUT rescuer did add, she thought dog would be best as an only dog.  Rescuer did admit dog was fence fighting from her kennel, but not when in an excercise area close to dogs.

A year ago, Rescuer was alone with dogs in the boarding kennel,  and was handling THIS “miracle” dog [rescuer's words, not ours]….the “miracle” dog savagely attacked rescuer, grabbed her by the throat and face, arms, hands and legs, and attacked rescuer relentlessly…………..rescuer’s trachea was partially severed by dog.  She would require a lot of surgery and plastic surgery. Somehow she got to the phone to call 911 but survived and of course they did kill the dog. Rescuer was in intensive care and lucky to even regain her ability to talk. No, this dog was not a pitbull and Rescuer adamantly wanted people to know “it wasn’t a Boxer.” [Rescuer had formerly owned an all white dog which was similar looking and was a Boxer.]

This was all front page news with rescuers asking for donations toward the victim’s medical bills.  What is the point of this story? Look at this below– which is how the rescuer claimed that a dog which required a fee via adoption, was better than a dog which was free or low cost:

FREE DOG VS RE-HOMED, RESCUED, SHELTER DOG?

An example of what some “re-homed-rescued” groups/people like to tell people–that a free dog is not really ‘free’ after you pay for what the “re-homer” does for you.

Although this might be partially true,  the VERY first item the RESCUE PERSON listed are the words “behavior screening” -indicating that the ”adoption” dog has been screened.

Exactly what is that, who does it, and do the people who actually do the screening know what they are doing? Do the people who do this decide that all dogs can be rehabilitated, or are candidates for such a task? If so, how long will it take and who will they test the dog on? Adults? Kids? Will they use ATT testing methods or use the stick hand as used by Sue Sternberg? How long will they give the dog before they either adopt it out or give up? Will they adopt out dogs that they know have bitten, or suspect may have bitten, or have doubts as to the temperament? Was the dog returned after being adopted several times, or did the dog fail temperament shelter testing?

How many of the trainers/testers have any certification to do this testing? How long have the testers been testing dogs?

As you may know, there are not really any standardized certificates for those who may perform training/testing of dogs in shelters/rescues.  CGC is not usually used in shelters.  Although police dogs and therapy dogs may have a more diligent protocol, shelter dogs are often subject to whatever type of behavior assessment the particular shelter decides to use. Most testers are not necessarily professionally certified but have experience as shelter workers. And that is where the potential problem lies. 

Because we know that at least 50% if not slightly more, of the fatal attacks by canines are actually often done by ‘rescued’, ‘re-homed’, and ‘shelter’ dogs, does it not seem a little odd that the dogs which are in those categories (re-homed, rescued, shelter) —only make up 15-18% of owned dogs, out of approximately 65-70 million owned canines.

70,000,000 OWNED DOGS, United States

12,600,000 Re-homed/rescue/shelter obtained (18% of owned)

34 dog-human fatalities, US 50%+ of fatal attacks done by re-homed/rescue/shelter dogs———————————————————————————————————————-

As we can clearly see, the DISPROPORTIONATE percentage of 50%+ being caused by the group of re-homed, rescued, and shelter dogs is evident and very peculiar….

The question then becomes,  WHY would animal rights extremists believe that re-homing and rescuing every shelter dog is a GOOD idea? It could be because they believe every animal should be saved, every animal should be rehabilitated, every animal is its own being and deserves to live?

OR—could it be that animal extremists want the public to THINK that’s what they are doing but in reality they are allowing sub-standard temperament dogs to get out in society so they can BLAME the people who own dogs? And then lash out at how poorly they take care of them? and then create animal “abuse” laws out of anything they want to claim is “abuse”– such as selling, buying, even owning an animal? Owning an UN-sterilized animal in some places is “animal abuse”, and buying an UNsterilized animal will soon be “animal abuse.”

And then down the line—claim that all such dogs are “unadoptable” and kill them–but that was their goal in the first place?   If you have never rescued animals, especially dogs, then you do not know what goes on in rescuing canines. MANY die hard animal rescuers will take dogs that do NOT belong in the public arena, are known biters, and could be both aggressive and overly dominant with both dogs and people.

Despite there being a ton of dogs to choose from, they will pick the worst case scenario and then claim they can “re-hab” the dog, even when they are NOT professional dog trainers, not professional evaluators, nor professional anything for that matter. They will purposely choose sick dogs, elderly dogs, dogs with brain damage, dogs with incurable medical conditions, dogs that need surgery they cannot afford, dogs with highly contagious diseases. They will tell the sob stories of needing “donations” for these dogs, surgery for these dogs, therapy for these dogs. For example, breed specific “rescues” for Yorkies will sell damaged goods dogs, brain damage, one eye, 3 legs, etc, for $400-$750. This is not a joke. For ones that only bite (this is not a joke either) there is no discount. So it bites. So what. It’s a Yorkie. Yorkie, chihuahua, whatever. Many of them bite. No discount.

And the dogs with apparently nothing wrong will just sit there in the shelters. The highly adoptable dogs were gone as soon as they could be either auctioned off, or imported to another shelter which has no “adoptable” dogs like San Francisco, which has over 30 years of altering dogs in place and generally does not believe in the breeding of animals, but allows deviants of many types in society, to have free reign, such as live sex shows, gays everywhere, probably kiddie porn if you know where to look.

Now we ASK YOU— if animal extremists take in dogs like this and keep feeling sorry for the worst dogs, and then THINK they are capable of getting dogs homes—and are not professional dog evaluators or trainers—-should they even be allowed to take dogs like this from the get-go—when such damaged dogs should not even be rescued, re-homed or placed at all?  We know some will bring up the Vick fighting dogs. Basically we are not talking about former fighting dogs, but just any dog that has characteristics which openly indicate a professional would be needed, or whose status is so overwhelmingly bad that it is simply a waste of good money after bad to even attempt rescue. [The Vick dogs had 2million paid to rehab them. Most succeeded but several could not be, and are living their lives out at Best Friends]

And to imagine what MIGHT have happened if “AR Rescuer” had adopted OUT the “miracle” dog. OH boy. She’s lucky she wasn’t killed on the spot.

 [Altering a dog does not render it non-aggressive to people, that's just what the ARs love to say. Tethering a dog outside does not make a dog ruined. Sibes are usually staked outside. The potential damage to a dog which is tethered on too short of a tether and cannot get any exercise, could be that it does not get socialized. If you don't need a socialized dog and don't take it anywhere it likely won't matter. But to ARs-- everything matters because animals are people, or higher than people.]

5 thoughts on “AR Rescuer Nearly Killed by “Rescued” Dog

  1. I agree altering a dog does not prevent them from being aggressive. It helps I believe. Of course it helps with the over population of animals. I have dogs that are altered and they still have an attitude about some things and will bite you. I have learned to work around this and they are better. To teach them not to bite takes a lot of work.

  2. I’d like to see some proof of the statistics quoted as just like all the other statistics used to discuss which dogs are dangerous or vicious these appear pulled out of a hat rather than being based on any real accumulation of factual information.
    Of course I’ve only been doing rescue for 30 odd years fostering, rehabiltating, and rehoming dogs so maybe I’ve just missed all those killer dogs out there. I’ve put two dogs down in 30 years for temperament issues. My personal preference is for dogs with ‘tougher’ than average temperaments so that is quite often what comes home with me. I took in giant breed dogs (perfectly capable of killing) for many years and trained them out of typical ‘test’ behaviors of food bowl aggression, putting teeth on humans, dominant pushiness etc and placed them successfully in homes where they did great.
    I can say I do feel I’m far more skilled than many of the rescuers I meet who are just barely beyond the ‘I just wuv doggies’ stage.

  3. thanks for the reply. you must become more familiar with fatalities, and i don’t mean from M. Clifton or other news reporters. We have access to the only expert in the USA that has hands on experience with fatalities, meaning he was present to either check out the dog before they killed it, or interviewed every witness he could, or both.

    If you understand the factors involved with fatalities, it’s not the chaining itself that causes any fatal attack. Most dogs (not all) that kill were recent additions to families or were chained because they were outside dogs that were in transition, or there are an assortment of different scenarios; however, almost none of the incidents was a dog acquired at birth and kept for 5 years and then suddenly killed. Unfortunately, animal extremists want us to believe that all re-homed dogs are perfect, and the facts show that many re-homed dogs are returned to shelters, or put on free sites without the owners revealing the bad behavior. Many biters come into shelters but owners dont disclose the biting. Probably 50% of dogs are taken down on the first testing. Or some shelters kill them off by breed at the get-go.

    You likely are far past most rescuers, but the question is, should the average rescuer do what you did? Probably not. Liability is an issue that can ruin a rescue’s reputation, and bankrupt you. Not to mention possible prosecution if there was knowledge that the dog was already harboring dangerous propensity or actions; former biting, or previous attacks which were possibly recorded. The aim of rescue is to place the best tempered dogs, not to rehab every dog in America….rehab is for professionals and even then they cannot succeed every time.

  4. Can you say who your expert is and where you got your numbers? HSUS often extrapolates data based on certain assumptions and while it can be helpful for needs assessment, they “statistics” then get repeated as fact which is harmful if decisions on policy are based on such information.

  5. All numbers or stats that involve estimates of shelter animals are guesstimates by any source, since
    it is not even known how many shelters there are in the USA, despite HSUS claiming to have hired
    people to make that guesstimate. There are no national standards for shelter populations natiowide
    nor are there standards for regulating the credibility of shelter numbers involving kills, adoptions
    intake, outgo, rescued, stolen, etc. Therefore due to lack of this data, the APPMA which is an
    industry publication, tabulates data from their own research which is considered by most, to be
    fairly accurate over time (for lack of any other data available)….
    Some of the reporting involves how much dog food is sold, how many animals were sold, etc. Also the
    wholesaling of such animals/pets is tallied nationwide. So partially in the manner of how a computer
    can be used to inventory a certain product sold in a store, the industry reports are tabulated we
    believe, to come up with aggregate numbers for the pet trade.

    These numbers and the research and methods used by APPMA would likely hold up in court as valid
    estimates. The numbers are often cited by HSUS but while this is not written in stone, HSUS
    will go off track and start deviating down the AR path as we know. However, the numbers of FATAL
    attacks is not really subject to much deviation. Jim Crosby is a noted dog aggression expert who
    has done more forensic individual exams on canines who have killed, than any other expert in the
    USA. The fatal attacks book by Delise is no longer in print, but her own data was gleaned
    from attack records from the involved incidents. The case histories of fatal attacks indicate that
    it is RARE and not surprising, that an established family dog would kill a member of the immediate
    family. Although the term established family dog means one thing to Delise, and perhaps something
    different to us, dogs that are rehomed from ANY source, which have UNknown lineage, UNknown background,
    UNknown temperament, UNknown socialization/training, and UNknown bite/aggression history– are
    simply not good candidates for families with children. And esp not good for novice dog owners
    whatsoever.

    Simple facts about canine temperament would imply that the highest likely candidate dog to be
    dangerous for kids is one with unknown propensities. It is likely that bad canine genetics is
    probably NOT to blame for every dog bite, but MIGHT play a part in lethal attacks. This is not
    proven of course, not yet. It is not a science as to why humans kill others either, but of course
    there are theories. So the best method of AVOIDING such a disaster is NOT to obtain a second hand
    dog at all. Because we actually have done rescue in the past for a fairly long time, and because
    we are not ARs, and partially because we don’t base our conclusions on AR stories, we have seen
    what AR rescuers do, how they market, how they will place dangerous dogs, how shelters will allow
    rescues to take dogs, and etc. Rehomers often just want their animals to get a home, even if they
    are biters. Abandoned shelter animals can be biters, but many animals can be biters, even if not
    in a shelter.

    However, the numbers of dogs which are NOT in shelters or in rescue are huge. The numbers of dogs
    in shelters is likely far less than HSUS will ever claim, and the numbers killed are likely far
    less. In guesstimates, perhaps only 2% of all animals get killed, which is far less than 30%. We
    would like to see as few killed as possible of course, but the fact remains that there will always
    be some that will go down. But even if such estimates are erroneous, the fatal attacks studied
    continue to bear out the facts that almost all of such killings are not from established dogs
    which have been owned for their life by owners. From a logical view, people abandoning an aggressive
    dog, people giving away a biting dog, and people dumping into shelters a defective dog indicates
    that the chance of such a dog having an “issue” will be higher than simply buying a small dog from
    the pet store, a breeder, or even a friend’s dog having puppies.

    We would be willing to bet that 99% of such lethal attacks involve a combo of canine genetics
    and bad or no training, coupled with pack mentality. Dogs in packs will display completely
    different behavior than if not in pack. A “new” dog in the house which kills a baby in an
    infant seat is not as rare as it would seem. IF a longtime family dog did it, that would be
    very unusual.
    So in the end, we don’t even think that the numbers need to be hugely accurate. The reason is
    due to the low numbers involving fatalities. When such killings happen by disproportionate
    percentages, and you have MILLIONS of animals NOT killing, but HUGE numbers of fatal attacks
    all coming from rehomed animals, it is fairly apparent that such attacks are comprised of
    several elements, and one huge overriding factor of being rehomed in the first place.
    We don’t think a 500% greater chance of being killed is attributed to any other apparent
    factor, the only apparent factor is the dog has been rehomed. The not so apparent factors
    would be guessing. And from what we have seen in rescuing many animals, we don’t think
    that saving aggressive dogs (not by breed, but by its behavior) is a good idea.

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