HSUS, Elitists and APHIS….Which is Smarter?

First— Let’s admit a few facts. The dog breeders of the USA are fragmented into commercial kennel, hobby breeders, and what people call BYB or backyard breeding.  Part of the so-called “hobby breeding” includes breeders that raise, breed and show dogs. These show dog breeders that spend lots of $$ on their dogs and in health testing costs are often elitist breeders.  That is, they believe they are better than most, know more than most, and look down on those who don’t do what they do. Their dogs cost a great deal in part because they spent a lot on testing, showing, and likely more showing. Driving across the country, paying for hotels, paying for meals, costs, handlers, you name it. A not-so-cheap “hobby” that can easily cost $40,000 or even $95,000 per year.

The average dog owner family doesn’t usually care if their dog is a show dog. Only maybe 2% of all dogs are show dogs. So obviously most people don’t have or own one or even really want or need one.  This brings us to the question of whether the elitist breeders that are often AKC breeders, some of whom will side with HSUS—- are really looking after their own interests?  If in fact elitist breeders were really worried about the breeding of animals, one would think that they would support the breeding of animals even if they were not bred as “well” as the elitists  think they breed animals.  But of course that isn’t going to happen because fanciers cannot get on the same page in most cases.

Fanciers might not like HSUS and they might not like animal rights, but in general, they will not back commercial kennels for fear of being associated with them. Commercial kennels produce dogs for owners that want dogs, not pedigrees. This is not to say all of any type of dogs in commercial kennels are bad.  This is not to say that all hobby bred dogs are great. We think that the dog’s pedigree might be  important, but in general, a dog’s worth is usually shown by its temperament and health.  A more expensive dog might have had parent dogs with expansive testing.  A  less expensive dog may have had no testing.  But are there any studies that prove that show dogs that cost $5,000 have better health/temperament than some mutt which costs $100 or even $50?  We bet there is no such study, and no proof.* [See link to DVM, Doctor Bell]

Dogs that are doted upon generally have more training, but can be very spoiled.  Designer dogs can be very cute. They may not have a great purebred pedigree. Do people really care?  For the most part, no.  They sell like hotcakes.  HSUS wants to eliminate them because people want them and buy them.  They are not killed in shelters. It has been stated that 80% of people looking for a dog in a shelter wants a female, young, small dog.  Good luck with that.  You need a commercial kennel dog.

The dogs killed in shelters are often mongrels with no ascertainable background and possibly no training. So the HSUS push against breeders should really be against the NON breeders— the mutts that people don’t want [did not plan or want to breed] but they end up having.  That is not a difficult concept.  Yet HSUS uses any dog breeder to simply turn the story around 360 degrees to make a ” p-mill marketing campaign.”    We got news for ya–they don’t kill commercial kennel type dogs in shelters.

Most commercial kennel dogs are small breeds that fetch great prices. They are not large, they are not 85lb, they are not black dogs, usually they are 10lb and are white fluffballs. Which is why HSUS loves to seize them, they can be resold so quick you won’t have time to think. Also, HSUS will seize pitbulls as well, but makes sure to KILL ALL OF THEM with the notion that they are all just inherently dangerous bad dogs that must perish.  Never mind that HSUS uses M. Vick to try and push their pitbull program.  HSUS could never have an actual pitbull program.   After all, HSUS claims that DNA dog testing is 100% accurate, that is what was claimed in HSUS’  amicus brief re pitbulls in Denver.

While it’s nice to be able to tell specific breeds apart, for they were designed for specific purposes, if choosing a dog for a specific purpose then it’s probably a better idea to get the purebred breed.  If one isn’t choosing for any particular purpose, then knowing the family, the time and space, energy and likes and dislikes of the family should be considered. If one is afraid of taking a rescued animal without knowing its background then simply do not get one. Go and buy a puppy from a purebred breeder who knows what he/she is doing.

Now that HSUS has gotten APHIS to bring a new regulation proposal forward,    AWA PROPOSED APHIS  we are again back to the old AR train of how can we again ruin the breeders, sellers, and buying and selling of dogs in general?  Even if it did affect other species, it has always been about canines.  Cats are almost an afterthought with HSUS since they can’t control cats very well except to call them feral and kill them.  Or wipe them out in one swift euth takeout by claiming there is too much disease in a shelter.

If we had to say who was smarter?  — APHIS (supposedly the government but in reality, heavily influenced by HSUS), HSUS or elitists– it would definitely NOT be the elitists because most [not all] are way behind the bus when it comes to knowing what is and what is not fundamentally wrong. Most  Elitists put up little and no resistance to SB917, which HAS to be the biggest legal mistake in California, since it labeled selling a dog as a CRIME [under animal abuse] but NOT if one is a “non profit.”  The insanity of that law is mind boggling.

There were about 5 groups including Pet Pac lobbyist, Cal Federation of Dog Clubs, and a few others that registered opposition. Where were all the other fancier groups?  Nowhere to be found.

That  one fact alone shows that  many elitists think they are above the law.  They think if they were accused of selling that they would be innocent. HAH!  Just wait.  IF APHIS and HSUS pass the regulation, and it ends up snagging Elitist breeders, ya know what?  They will be spending money, AKC will be spending $, and the rest of the people will just keep buying regular plain dogs.  Nothing fancy.  Just a dog.  Maybe even one from a pet store if they’re still legal…. (meaning if pet stores are still legal, and if selling dogs is still legal !)

*We do note that as of mid June, the dog show fanciers with AKC have mounted a large petition with many fanciers having signed on against APHIS.  Whether that would be enough to stop the changes promoted by APHIS (spurred no doubt, by HSUS) remains to be seen.

*http://www.naiaonline.org/articles/article/the-clinical-truths-about-pure-breeds-mixed-breeds-and-designer-breeds   see excerpt below…….. by Jerold S. Bell, DVM……

“Breed-specific genetic diseases tend not to spill out into the mixed-breed populations. Exceptions to this however, are ancient mutations that occurred before the separation of breeds. These disease-causing genes mutated so long ago, that the mutation (and its associated disease) is found in evolutionary divergent breeds.   The same ancestral autosomal recessive mutation for the progressive rod cone degeneration (prcd) form of progressive retinal atrophy (PRA) is found in the American Cocker Spaniel, American Eskimo Dog, Australian Cattle Dog, Australian Shepherd, Chesapeake Bay Retriever, Chinese Crested Dog, English Cocker Spaniel, Entelbucher Mountain Dog, Finnish Lapphund, Golden Retriever, Kuvasz, Labrador Retriever, Lapponian Herder, Norwegian Elkhound, Nova Scotia Duck Trolling Retriever, Poodle, Portuguese Water Dog, Silky Terrier, Spanish Water Dog, Stumpy Tail Cattle Dog Swedish Lapphund, and Yorkshire Terrier.3 This list continues to grow as more breeds are discovered with the same defective gene. The question is not, “Which breeds carried this defective gene during their development”, but “Which breeds did not lose this defective gene during ancestral development.”

“It is also not surprising that prcd-PRA affected dogs (who must receive the defective gene from both parents) have been identified in Labradoodles (Labrador Retriever x Poodle crosses), Goldendoodles (Golden Retriever x Poodle crosses) and Cockapoos (Cocker Spaniel x Poodle crosses).   Collie eye anomaly is another disease caused by an ancestral mutation that preceded the differentiation of breeds. The same causative mutation for choroidal hypoplasia has been molecularly identified in the Australian Shepherd, Border Collie, Boykin Spaniel, Lancashire Heeler, Longhaired Whippet/ Silken Windhound, Nova Scotia Duck Tolling Retriever, Rough Collie, Shetland Sheepdog, and Smooth Collie.4   The most common hereditary diseases occur across all pure-bred, mixed breed, and designer bred dogs. These include cancer, eye disease, epilepsy, hip dysplasia, hypothyroidism, heart disease, autoimmune disease, allergies, patellar luxation, and elbow dysplasia. Labradoodles are being diagnosed with hip dysplasia, elbow dysplasia, and inherited Addison’s disease; all recognized disorders in both parent breeds.”

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2 thoughts on “HSUS, Elitists and APHIS….Which is Smarter?

  1. As a member of the “Elitist dog fancy,” I’m not certain your portrayal in blanket terms is a fair analysis. I will however, state that it does fit in some cases. Not necessarily constructive.

    APHIS is a highly orchestrated first step by HSUS, who has publicly stated their mission is the elimination of all domesticated animals.

    I have been working tirelessly to educate and communicate the importance of commenting on this devastating rule. I have shipped dogs on several different occasions, and worked for over 30 years to develop my lines. The level of dedication necessary to compete at the level I do is not something that should be discounted.

    I do appreciate and support SAOVA’s work on my behalf and on behalf of all dog owner, and will continue to do so.

  2. thanks for reading.Let us first say, we are glad at least some people took the time to think about what was stated. It is a start.

    It’s not meant to be fair, it is with bias to get people thinking…. because there are outsiders that see what many fanciers do– to harm themselves.

    Failing to support breeding in general is harmful.Failing to recognize commercial kennels as legal is harmful. Failing to realize that Petland is actually one of the strongest elements for commerce is harmful. Failing to understand that without unity (all breeders/owners) you then have small fragmented groups (elitist, non elitist, BYB, hobby, 4h, farm sales, ag related sales, etc) that can never pull the weight needed to have a united front. But the farmers have united themselves. The dog/cat people will have to do the same even if they don’t want to, otherwise they will end up losing. AKC has a history and $$$. But can they do it?

    Failing to rally against obvious laws that classify “selling” as illegal but not if a non profit does it— is very dangerous. We did not see AKC or PIJAC oppose SB917, probably the most egregious (legal) law we have seen in our lives. Yet breeders, with a few exceptions in CA, (such as Pet PAC lobbyist and Dog Fed Central CA/others) did not even put up a fight, because they got an “exemption.”

    When selling animals is not legal for normal people, but IF a “non profit” does it and it IS LEGAL —how can that be? AND how exactly can selling be classified as ANIMAL ABUSE WHERE YOU COULD LOSE ANY RIGHTS TO ANIMALS FOR 5-10 YEARS?

    It does not matter about the time,place, manner because the reg didn’t state any time or manner, just being outside in public areas? That’s a red herring.Such a reg would require a more definite, narrowly tailed TPM (time, place, manner) than as stated.
    The issue is that selling cannot be illegal—yet be legal ONLY for their own type of groups.. (shelters, rescues, non profits) This obviously implies that the indicated groups, shelter/rescue/non profit, have some different status [HSUS tries to imply that non profit means not making money which is a big crock of sh**)

    When this happens, what we have is legal precedent that the 3 groups named, are not in fact, selling. Their exemption was that they were not “selling” because they are non commercial?
    NO NO NO NO NO……………..

    They ARE in fact selling because they are in some type of business, the format is not relevant. They take in money and fundraise. They are carving out exceptions when they are not actually entitled to that exception.

    Their sales of animals contribute to commerce nationwide. Go look online. There are thousands and thousands of rescues nationwide and many of them sell animals that look like they came straight out of commercial kennels. Many of them are babies and very young. Do we really think those are from shelters? Hardly. They can fetch prices such as $350 for a damaged dog, and $850 for non damaged.

    Now rescues will be included in APHIS–which is very interesting. That means they are commerce also, simply by being included. So you see HSUS swung it “both ways.”
    Typical hypocritical HSUS crap.

    HSUS says non profits aren’t commerce and can be excluded from “selling”, but in APHIS rescues are included as commerce. It can’t really be both.
    Non profits are commerce whether or not they make a profit.

    A business may often be designed to bring in money all right, but do they all profit? Nope. That doesn’t mean their purpose singles them out as non commerce necessarily. That is for tax purposes, but not necessarily anything else. The non profits still contribute with hiring people, spending money, and investing $$$, just look at HSUS and its list of many corporations they have designated as “non profit.” Who is kidding who here?

    The entire picture has to be considered when assessing what is going on.

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