***See update on the “teaching” they did, with post of 2/16/18–on due process…….
They get the people listed in their course info……….notice that the San Diego guy has now moved on to the Los Angeles position….Los Angeles is currently carting off dogs via Best Friends, supposedly with no verification or follow up on where the dogs end up….. all of this is being done to claim that “Los Angeles” is allegedly “no KILL”……………LOL LOL LOL!!!!
Completely not true. Just because you MOVE dogs out to who knows where, doesn’t mean you are no kill. If we move dogs to a rendering plant would that be no kill because we didn’t kill them? Very funny huh??? We all know that dogs taken from East LA are never going to find homes. It’s a big joke to believe that they could do it. They cannot, after nearly 15 years of trying, nothing has changed.
No one wants to venture into the barrio to pick up strays and then kill them. LA claimed they would be no kill in 2003, 2006, 2009, 2013, 2015, etc. It’s a big game. So since they can’t save them all, because it’s nearly impossible, they just cart them off now by the truckloads. Destination–who knows? We have our own thoughts, but won’t go there……They will never provide the accountability because part of the game is that they won’t be able to do so, or won’t want to do it. Let’s just say we would not be surprised to find out that many of them end up in Utah and never see the light of day again.
What they NEVER teach anyone re seizure law is this: ANYONE WHO IS A VICTIM OF A SEIZURE IS AUTOMATICALLY A VICTIM OF FORFEITURE.
IF YOU CAN’T OR WON’T PAY FOR THE RELEASE OF YOUR OWN ANIMALS THEN YOU ARE EITHER GOING DOWN, GOING TO BE CONVICTED, OR GOING TO LOSE ALL OF YOUR ANIMALS, PERIOD. YOU WILL NOT GET THEM BACK, AND EVEN IF YOU DO, YOU HAVE TO PAY TO GET THEM BACK.
IF YOU ONLY HAVE 2 ANIMALS IT’S NOT THAT DIFFICULT, BUT ONCE YOU HAVE A LARGE NUMBER OF ANIMALS, YOU ARE PRACTICALLY GUARANTEED, WE REPEAT: G-U-A-R-A-N-T-E-E-D —- TO LOSE NEARLY EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM.
By aligning with AR groups, nearly every shelter in CA will gladly participate in RAIDS, HUMANE GROUP SEIZURES, FORFEITURE TAKINGS, AND EVEN WHEN ANIMALS ARE STOLEN ILLEGALLY…. and notice which attorney they are using to teach these people, Mr. Wagman from SF, because he wrote one of the animal law books???
Wagman is way off base in seizure law, he thinks that seizures using PC597.1 as written by the legislature is legal. It is seemingly NOT, especially when seizures can be done without warrants, seizures which are done by fake warrants, misrepresented warrants, and illegal warrants, etc. are not legal and will never be legal. [*IF the law as written, which does not provide for a hearing when a “warrant” was used to seize, and a court looks at what due process is provided when there are no criminal charges levied or pending, it becomes an issue of reading the law and applying it to the case; ‘as applied’ versus as the literal wording of the law, would make a difference…courts appear to currently be citing the Robert Bennett case out of Eastern district which was not a published case.]
Applying the facts to most seizures usually indicates that most seizures of animals are poorly carried out, the owners don’t even know they have any rights at all, and they are simply overcome by the presence of a SWAT team of AR animal people including RESCUES, POLICE, ANIMAL CONTROL, AND PARTIES WANTING FREE DOGS OR PUPPIES. Those puppies are later sold for much $$$ by “non profits” so that means $500, $700, $900 for animals that were basically stolen from owners????
Most seizures are NEVER what the ARs claim. Only seizures where actual abuse and severe negligence is proven are really valid to warrant seizure. The rest of them do not warrant seizure. The proper thing to do is to have the owner put on a compliance program, and if owner fails to work out the plan, then it might be grounds to do something.
However, the code was written by ARs which give them power to determine anything can be abuse..go read PC597.1– it’s quite obvious that anything can be called abuse.
ALLEGED low level neglect is not grounds for seizure BUT greedy AC/rescues will want to seize anything that can be resold for high $$$. That is why no one seizes feral cats, and sick animals, UNLESS they can resell them for a profit.
They will usually just kill the sick animals who have no RESALE value, BUT they will salvage very damaged dogs normally, simply so they can parade the animal around to RAISE MONEY FOR THEMSELVES !!!! Using the emotional ploy of OH THAT POOR DOG raises more $$than people realize, since most of their $$$ is raised by using photos of sick or damaged animals. ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS.
If there are no criminal charges, it was likely not a valid seizure, since a valid seizure is based on a criminal action. NOT A CIVIL ACTION. Alleged “neglect” is whatever the AC says it is. Without defense counsel, and sometimes even with defense counsel, nearly all seizure victims lose their cases.
IF we had not seen it ourselves, in person, we would not know this. But unfortunately we have seen it ourselves, not a few times, but nearly all the time.
Most seizures we have seen are trumped up crappola done because of power trips, and money mongering, and illegal actions. Like bad humane officers, bad animal control, and bad government, PLUS the bad government aligns itself with AR people big time.
This is happening everywhere especially in California. Probably the only places it won’t happen is where large kennels are still allowed, and breeding kennels and puppy raising isn’t called a crime. We are really sick of California law re animals, and do not feel there is any way that the law will be changed.